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Anyone using the latest B4 RTAS w/6.1.1?

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Is it ready for prime time(working well with your midi controller and all)?.




Brashland

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05.07.21 - 05:35:05
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RE: Anyone using the latest B4 RTAS w/6.1.1?

Hi! Tried it out. Works great for the most part. However, you lose the ability to control the lower keyboard and pedals. I know- huh? Ridiculous, but true. Hopefully they will fix this. other wise it is fine.


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05.07.21 - 05:40:02
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RE: Anyone using the latest B4 RTAS w/6.1.1?

yea, its a load of crap. Just another crap reason to have to find a work around. So I have to bounce down to a stereo track and import that into a Nuendo session to add B4 as a VSTi. Then bounce down that to its own 2 track mix and import that into PT. That or use a second sound card (running B-4 stand alone) via digital out and into the DIGI and run it in the background. Works sometimes. But I got to be able to use the pedal to control the leslie horn motor. Its really essential. And I have to have a volume pedal of some sort inline too. Its just not the same without those two.


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05.07.21 - 05:50:57
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RE: Anyone using the latest B4 RTAS w/6.1.1?

The real problem with the B4 RTAS and ptle is that you can only record one midi track at a time in ptle. You can set up three audio tracks with a b4 plug on each then set up three midi tracks. Go to "operations" and select "input monitor only" then go to "setup" select preferences, select midi, and make sure the midi thru channel is set to B4. Then, set the inputs of each midi track to "all", and you will see in the midi out setup that you now have B41, B42, and B43 all of which will indicate "no channel selected" but ignore that and assign each midi to the first B4, then the second to B42 and so on and so forth. Set the "keyboard split" option on each plug to handle one keyboard (i.e.upper, lower, pedal). Now set the audio trk/s to record and you will hear each of the b4s (with different keyboard (upper, lower etc.) via audio track as you play the controller. It works fine...until you try to enable record on the three midi channels...it will only let you record on one of the three midi tracks. This is the real problem. You must remember that when you record the B4, you must record the midi data as this is what triggers the B4 audio...get it? When you assign the keyboard split with the B4 the first key you hit on your midi controller will designate where the upper and lower keyboards will split on your keyboard. Now if there is or was a way to record more than one midi track at the same time we would be happy. Actually, even with just being able to play the B4 in Pt the way it is is cool cause there is not another plug that comes close to what the B4 can do as far as Hammond B3 sounds are concerned.




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05.07.21 - 05:54:28
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RE: Anyone using the latest B4 RTAS w/6.1.1?

Hi! The workaround to use the B4 via RTAS is simple, and works fine. But, one must instantiate 3 B4's just to do it, as mentioned. While it isnt a hog, it is still kinda lame that NI did not "fix" this before release. Wonder if the Mac version has these probs/ Didn't think so... As far as the problem in the post above this: Real simple. Under MIDI menu, be sure Midi thru is checked, so that any notes played, and assigned properly (either as all, or via selecting a specific input) will trigger the appropriate instrument while recording. Next, goto Setups->Preferences->MIDI tab, and select "none" for default thru intstrument. This will assure ONLY what one assigns will get played. or respond to MIDI input. Since PT LE allows it, create 3 stereo Aux tracks, and then insert a B4 on each. Next, create 3 MIDI tracks. Set the input to the first to B4-1, next MIDI track to B4-2, and finally last MIDI track to B4-3. Raise faders on the Aux tracks with B4 on em, and then setup the keyboard splits on each instance of B4 (B4-1,2,3) so that the first has no split, second has as much of the lower keyboard assigned to the upper via keysplit, and lastly set the split on B4-3 to have the pedals occupy as much of the upper keyboard as possible. Assign same patch to all 3 B4's. Now comes the fun part. Whether you use PT, Cubase, Nuendo, etc- does not matter! If one has a single MIDI keyboard, and it does not have keyboard split or region assignments possible, each of the B4 "zones" will have to be recorded seperately no matter what. Unless one wants all three toplay the same thing, and then it is a simple matter of assigning the MIDI INPUT of each "tier" of the B4 (in PT, each instance represents a "tier"), and record enable all 3 MIDI tracks, and the same data will be recorded on each, but be routed to each of the 3 tiers, or instances. If the keyboard one uses has the ability to assign splits, or zones, for that MIDI keyboard, then each split will address and be output thru a seperate channel. Simply goto the INPUT select on each MIDI channel, and select the device (port), and channel as it relates to the MIDI keyboard one uses to trigger. Using 2 *real* MIDI keyboards and MIDI pedals to more accurately reproduce the "B4 experience," each will be on a different port, or channel, and selecting them for the appropriate MIDI channel INPUT in PT is obvious. To record MIDI on all three MIDI tracks set to trigger each of the B4's, simply hold shift and click the record enable button on each track. Got the MIDI recorded, and want it recorded as real audio now? Create 3 stereo Audio tracks, set up the bussing correctly, enable record on all three of the created audio tracks, record+play, and walla! An irritating, but relatively easy workaround. WHile irritating (obviously), it worls fine, and is as close to having NI code the plug-in properly to begin with as one can get...unless someone knows a secret???




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05.07.21 - 06:05:00
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RE: Anyone using the latest B4 RTAS w/6.1.1?

After reading that i'll never complain about mic'ing up a leslie cab again Cheers, Marcus


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